You know Ten if you were making a living at SL, you would be horrified by this. Horrified that a group of people are trying to stop sales for legitimate business owners like myself.

Content theft is a problem, ideas how to prevent it are better suited than trying to hit people with this.

Appalled, really. You have NO right to tell my customers not to go to my store.

While I personally agree with your main points, Dancien, even as a member of Artist’s Voice (and I spoke long in the group against this decision, but not everyone is forced to listen to me or to do what I say), I strongly disagree with the necessity of naming and shaming you expressed at the end of your post.
Artist’s voice’s decisions are mostly taken by the council, that’s true, but the council works with a majority vote, with a necessary quorum to be reached for a decision to be valid. So the people you listed as the ones to be “blamed” if sales plummet on the 5th (and I seriously doubt they will be even noticeably impacted, to be honest, and that’s one of the reasons why I spoke against the whole idea. It simply won’t work at all), are just members of a council, nothing more and nothing less. You don’t know who voted for and who voted against, so you don’t know really know who to blame.

Artist Voice isn’t Tenshi, me, or any other member you listed. Artist voice is a big group of people that want to stand against content theft, each of them in their own way.
As any big group of people, someone will have to take decisions, and many will disagree. It always happens.
While I won’t support this initiative (if not by not uploading textures, like I initially planned because of Stand Up), others have decided to. As long as it’s not jammed down my throat as mandatory (and it’s not) everyone has the right to start their own project.
In the meanwhile, I’d seriously avoid pointing fingers in the direction of random people that just happen to be in a “council”. Councils, by definition, aren’t a zerg-like hive-mind, but an ensemble of different opinions.

Maybe we should not lose sight of who the common enemies are (content thieves) and fight them. I don’t think fighting this fiercely those who fight content thieves because we happen not to like *one* of their initiatives is anywhere constructive.
Of course, you’re entirely entitled to your own opinion, and as I said, I share a big portion of it. Though, the quite random naming and shaming without proper knowledge of the “behind the scenes” is counterproductive and just stirs drama in a field that should be as united as possible, at least in intent.

Cheers.

Oh, and come on, can we avoid the “Reductio ad Hitlerum” please? It’s a tad banal for someone that articulate… Don’t make me call the Godwin’s Law on you :D

Godwin’s Law cited in less than 10 posts?? This thread is as dead as the feude between Dancien and Tenshi.

(psst..isn’t that what this is really about??)

I know by being anonymous I’m a chickenshit lily livered coward – but I’m sticking with it. Aside from the issues you two have together, I am inclined to agree with you. A large majority of people involved with Artists Voice and Content Theft Prevention/Awareness are unhappy with this whole debacle. There are better ways of poking LL up the ass, and making us all look like uncouth, mouthy yobs and screaming blue murder isn’t the way to do it.

And Dancien if you feel as though you can create a more effective group I would be more than happy to work with you as well and take on a similar role. My intention is to work in the newbie areas with education and awareness and I am sure Artist’s Group won’t have an issue with me working with another group as well. So pony up my friend, turn your criticism into action and help the community I know you love.

what can i say? this is so delicious to see you two having a tiff. when’s the wedding?

I prefer direct action that leads to asshat removal. Cryolife detectors have been working wonders. Many times the jerks are already missing from search by the time I see a report from someone somewhere and I try to ban them. Most reported cryolife users I saw have been banned since around mid August when cryolife detector distribution quietly commenced. And that is a whole lot too. Maybe over 1000. I was surprised when LL started banning them so I never really kept count. This is what you call taking direct action. This might be just one form of viewer but it is one more than nothing. Lately the scripts tend to mysteriously stop working. Exactly just after the black hat revolt inside LL over the Cyn blog that resulted in the “technical people” regaining control back from “the suits”. Maybe LL’s “technical people” are disabling them. Maybe just rolling restarts is screwing them up. Maybe the wonders of LSL is to blame. They just stop working lately. Who knows. You can reset them or if you suspect LL is trying to kill the detectors (I would not put it past the LL “technical people”) then you can paste the code (assuming you have the open source version) into a new script named whatever, my big toe, etc., put it in a prim called Object, and use that instead. Be a tough time tracking that down to disable it.

In addition inspect everyone and look for people that are listed as the creators of all the prims in that hair or shoes or outfit parts you know should show a different creator name or if they are wearing an anti inspect shield then ban on the spot and report them to all your other merchant/designer friends so they can spread the word to ban.

Don’t sit there waiting for LL to do anything because LL says it is OK to use cryolife, neillife, etc. Just not ok to use them for ripping. Yea LL. We are all stupid. Not. Well maybe we are for sticking around relying upon *HOPE* to save SL.

Happy hunting.

Also if you quit your day job after drinking from pip’s koolaid pitcher then you should consider trying to get that job back. We are not going to win this fight with the current grid owner so dead set on supporting the enemy.

Can I weigh in now?

Content theft is a huge issue, we are all aware of that. I don’t create so I can’t imagine how this virtually raping feels. Do I think that the 5th of November protest is a good idea? No. But not because of the idea itself. I just think it was hastily put together. There are well-meaning intentions at the root of the protest, but if the desired end-result is to get the Lab’s attention, I feel like it would take near-total participation from across the grid, and I don’t feel like a week is enough time to make that happen. I think, more than anything, it is the quick-trigger planning of this that has created the divisiveness that will ultimately limit its effectiveness. As I said to you, Dan, in plurk, is doing nothing better than doing something, even if it is the wrong something? I still don’t know the answer to that. So, I’m going to put on my circus-performer hat and walk the tightrope between supporting those who do participate, as well as those who don’t.

(I’m terribly wishy-washy on Sunday mornings)

What I do hope comes of it, and I have seen the seeds being planted, is a dialogue focused on taking a proactive approach to educating the consumer, rewarding & promoting designers/creators and reaching out to the Lab and the community as a whole. So, as a blogger, and a consumer, that is where I will be concentrating my efforts.